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Why trust a Chinese Distribution?

tupnip / 2016-10-16 08:06
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Linux Deepin seems to be an amazing open source distribution of Linux developed in China, yet China is infamous for censorship.

Because an Operating System is such a low-level element in our digital lives, users need to trust it 100%. Windows and Mac have backdoors and are not worthy of trust. However Deepin as an alternative comes from a country with the Great Firewall of China and appears to be funded by 'Wuhan Technology' company.

Also, open source software can still have malicious code in it, provided people checking the code don't find it. Vulnerabilities like Adobe Flash player can be left intentionally not up to date.

Despite this, I trust Deepin. I do, however, have a hard time explaining to other people why they should install Deepin on their computers. I hope you can provide objective answers to the following questions.

1) How can 'Wuhan Technology' afford to pay for the highly-skilled Deepin developers (and hosting) if the product makes no money, harvests no data and is only for the good of humanity?

2) What motivation (other than humanitarian) is there to make Deepin?

3) How would you convince a skeptic that there are no hidden catches?

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deri 发表于 2016-10-16 13:32:05 | 显示全部楼层
maybe you could get some answer from this? { https://www.deepin.org/dduc2016

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laoguang 发表于 2016-10-16 17:06:28 | 显示全部楼层
as you have said, open source software can still have malicious code in it, provided people checking the code don't find it, so there is no way anyone can convince you.

we are all investing our trust, hence we can only pray for a good investment.

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serenase 发表于 2016-10-16 17:36:41 | 显示全部楼层
This is interesting subject... At the moment I use Deepin on Manjaro, because of better driver support for my hardware and newer software base. But as european and situation out here, trusting in Chinese distribution is no issue for me. Rather opposite, expesially if all the new planned EU-laws ever get for real (about hatespeech, rasism and other mind crimes). That point it might be a good idea to choose Chinese distro over European/US one. Those laws do not effect me personally, it's more like principle and statement for your freedom. That's just my two cents...

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com_bvv 发表于 2016-10-16 21:17:26 | 显示全部楼层
the world has gone mad!

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stevex 发表于 2016-10-17 00:50:40 | 显示全部楼层
Hi. To my mind., Deepin OS is probably one of the most secure and trustworthy  of the current Linux distros because it does originate from China. Given the fact that many countries, particularly the USA, are paranoid about China's political ambitions and fear China's cyberwarfare capabilities, it is hard to imagine that the NSA and national security agencies from other nations have not red flagged Deepin OS and are not keeping an eye on it, unlike, perhaps, most other Linux distros. And, if one is inclined to believe some reports about Chinese government cyber-hacking,  then it appears that the hackers do quite well without needing a Linux OS to do so. One of the beauties of open source distros is their transparency to all, and I think the developers of Deepin believe that too.

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nhoya 发表于 2016-10-17 15:13:47 | 显示全部楼层
Edited by nhoya at 2016-10-17 15:21

1) Deepin is selling enterprise services in china, is the n1 distro there so i think they can affort developers payment

2) As i said in 1) they are selling enterprise services, asking why is like asking Microsoft why they sell OS. Deepin team opened the project to the community giving the possibility to invest our knowledge and time

3) It's easy, if you are skeptic (like you should be with everything in your system) you can just check. How you can trust Debian, Arch or any other distro? You know, america is well known for mass control https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29 so why China not and International yes? The right answer for me is: because is trusted by the community. Deepin has lot of partners, WPS, Maxton, RedHat and Intel for example. But of course these are only external opinions and you shouldn't trust them. Just take the code and give a look to it.

For other infos:
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/ ... chnology-join-linux
https://www.deepin.com/
http://muzi.info/articles/1371.html (interview to manateelazycat)
https://www.deepin.org/aboutus.html


Oh and just for reminder, everyday lot of people use closed systems like OSX and Windows because they trust it (and they even have not access to the code)

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Maxximo88 发表于 2016-10-17 15:17:07 | 显示全部楼层
deri replied at 2016-10-16 06:32
maybe you could get some answer from this?  https://www.deepin.org/dduc2016

Maybe we need the english translation..
Italian user and Administrator
Gruppo Facebook Italiano: Deepin Linux Italia
Gruppo Google+ Italiano Deepin Linux Italia

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tupnip 发表于 2016-10-17 19:39:33 | 显示全部楼层
Thank a lot everyone for all the replies. Especially Nhoya as I found your answer helpful.

I have no doubt that sometime in the future I will help people use Deepin happily and knowing about the Enterprise / Partners will ease all their doubts (and mild racism, haha).

Thanks

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serenase 发表于 2016-10-17 22:42:15 | 显示全部楼层
tupnip replied at 2016-10-17 19:39
Thank a lot everyone for all the replies. Especially Nhoya as I found your answer helpful.

I have n ...

And what about all these Chinese hardware you use, Huawei etc. I don't think using Chinese product is no problem for most people now days.

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akito 发表于 2016-10-21 19:29:52 | 显示全部楼层
There are enough much much less known distros that would be accordingly much more likely to be infected since they are unkown and barely anyone did check them for malicious intents. I rather take a fantastic chinese distribution like this one, that is pretty high on the ranking of distrowatch.com, than some impotent distro that is in alpha stadium and no one has checked it for major mistakes.

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jambalak 发表于 2016-10-23 15:53:06 | 显示全部楼层
nhoya said:
You know, america is well known for mass control https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29 so why China not and International yes?

nhoya is right! We should assume that we're being watched by "Big Brother" as in George Orwell's novel:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four
People trust and buy computers with systems as Microsoft and Apple, why we would not trust in Deepin Technology?
Anyway, if you do not want to be watched, it's necessary to switch off our computer!{

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savanweylyn 发表于 2016-10-27 20:43:08 | 显示全部楼层
jambalak replied at 2016-10-23 08:53
nhoya is right! We should assume that we're being watched by "Big Brother" as in George Orwell's no ...

Not only your computer, but your phone, smart watch and TV too.

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idbc 发表于 2016-10-29 00:10:44 | 显示全部楼层
What politics? Deepin is what chinese children doing after school!{

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johnson_pw 发表于 2016-11-1 11:38:12 | 显示全部楼层
johnson_pw: "I found a great looking Linux distro the other day, I'm considering using it as my main OS.  It's called Deepin and it's from China."

friend: "How do you like being tracked by and supporting the CPC?"

johnson_pw: "I don't, but it's not likely China will travel halfway around the world and knock on my door."

I really like Deepin as an OS.  I'm not fond of the Chinese government.  Deepin is most likely not secure from the world's most powerful governments, and is likely compromised in some minor way by the major cyber-ops players.  However, I personally am NEVER likely to be targeted by the CPC.  Being half a world a way the Chinese government likely won't be visiting my house.  Wuhan Technology may be required to report to the Chinese government, but they won't be reporting to my government.

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horvan 发表于 2016-11-1 17:37:45 | 显示全部楼层
You may be absolutely right but let me ask you a question before you heard about deepin you had Microsoft Windows right. Well where is the difference between give your data to the Chinese administration or even the CIA when you trust Microsoft and apple? Sure they have different ethnic and different toughs but does that really matter when it comes to your data?

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johnson_pw 发表于 2016-11-1 23:04:56 | 显示全部楼层
horvan replied at 2016-11-1 17:37
You may be absolutely right but let me ask you a question before you heard about deepin you had Micr ...

Did you mean ethics rather than ethnic?  

I still use Windows and also use Qubes, TAILS, Raspbian, Deepin, and Parrot.  Whatever I feel is best for what I'm doing.

Governments can jail you, that is the difference between CPC/NSA/GCHQ and Microsoft/Apple.  Even if Deepin is entirely compromised by the Chinese government, that is not likely to personally affect me.

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diegodio 发表于 2016-11-2 08:00:36 | 显示全部楼层
tupnip replied at 2016-10-17 19:39
Thank a lot everyone for all the replies. Especially Nhoya as I found your answer helpful.

I have n ...

I believe that it has been a very good discussion.

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seb 发表于 2016-11-6 00:50:38 | 显示全部楼层
Keep in mind that a solid Chinese OS was a long time coming. With Asia's growing influence in the world I suspect that more and more Chinese companies will ditch US software in favor of their own. In fact 40% of Dell computers in China use a homegrown Linux-based Windows XP knockoff but most computers are still running regular-old Windows XP. Deepin Linux could be a step in the right direction. Having an open source version available to the public is a lot better than not having an open source version at all.

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kainxkitsune 发表于 2016-11-8 02:03:28 来自移动端 | 显示全部楼层
I agree with some of the other posts made. Deepin isn't any more or less trustworthy off the bat then Microsoft, apple, and other distros such as Ubuntu ect. Plus if talking about China as a whole from the US perspective we already trust them to.manufacturer a huge majority of just about everything. The LG G5 in my hand was more tthen likely made and china and LG from japan could have me running a modified android that spying on everything I do. So who knows. But the nice thing about open source projects is you can pick apart the source yourself and see what it is doing. I dropped Ubuntu in favor of deepin. So far I really like it.
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